On September 19, 2019, Kerrang! headed to Seattle to join Ghost on the North American leg of their Ultimate Tour Named Death.
It was several hours before a sold-out performance at the city’s WaMu Theater, featuring the most complete realisation of the band’s live show to date: huge stained glass window backdrops, lofty risers, spectacular lighting and cannons to shower the 5,000 attendees with confetti – all transported by several trucks and facilitated by a crew of 40.
It would be several hours, too, until Cardinal Copia’s sudden appearance in a blood red suit, his approach silent, before shadow boxing and dabbing his way through a pre-show warm-up – his persona a million miles from that of the man behind the mask.
Towards the end of an unusually unguarded chat with Tobias Forge that same day, covering childhood, his often-exacting nature, and the evolution of the band’s narrative, talk turned to album number five and what could be expected from it.
In explaining his vision, Tobias, sitting in a rather chilly rehearsal room, mentioned Metallica. The metal legends, along with Iron Maiden, had long provided him with the blueprint for how a successful band should operate – by writing great songs and albums, producing plentiful merch with a striking aesthetic, and touring America as much as possible. Tobias was no longer discussing Metallica in the abstract by that stage, though. They were peers and pals.
In truth, James Hetfield had been a believer in Ghost since Opus Eponymous, having been spotted wearing one of their T-shirts as early as 2011, and would champion the Swedes at every opportunity, describing them in an interview at the time as “a breath of fresh air for metal”. Papa Het was even in attendance at Ghost’s first show in Metallica’s native San Francisco, at the 250-cap Bottom Of The Hill venue, in early 2012.
Fast-forward to the summer of 2019, and Ghost were the guests of Metallica on the latter’s WorldWired Tour, which included a show in front of 82,000 people at Twickenham, traditionally the home of English rugby. K!’s review paid particular attention to Cardinal Copia’s ability with an audience, as well as his smutty patter. Noting that while he ‘sounds like Austin Powers baddie Goldmember when asking the crowd if they want their “taints tickled”’, writer Nick Ruskell also observed that ‘he’s one of the finest ringmasters in modern rock’.
“I regard Metallica as colleagues and friends now, but they are still Metallica,” Tobias would reflect three months later in Seattle, acknowledging his place in metal’s pecking order. “I am an ambassador, and they are presidents.”
Tobias ended up putting that ambassadorial role into practice when Ghost covered Enter Sandman on The Metallica Blacklist, a 2021 tribute album that saw huge acts including Weezer, Biffy Clyro and Corey Taylor covering multiple versions of each of the 12 tracks from 1991’s The Black Album. Ghost had first tackled Metallica’s most famous song in front of the thrash legends at a Swedish awards ceremony in 2018. While the track had been selected on Ghost’s behalf, they were given the choice to pick another. The fact that they didn’t back down from such a gutsy choice was testament to their ongoing fearlessness.
On album number five, then, Tobias would do what Metallica did on The Black Album – though symbolically, rather than musically.
“It’s two different things,” he clarified. “What the record sounds like, and knowing to put yourself in the right spot at the right time.” In short: it was time to take a giant commercial leap.