What’s the optimal way to listen to them – back to back, or over the course of the 24-hour period which you describe?
“I’ve never even thought about that. They're such products of where and when they were recorded. We made Sundiver mostly in the summer, in a studio in Welwyn Garden City that had a private garden. We had barbecues every day! Even if it was raining, we just cooked dinner on the barbecue. There was a meadow across the road, it was pastoral and idyllic. Maybe those are the contexts to listen to the two records, in different seasons. I'm sure at some point, we will release it as a full double album – with a bunch of extra shit.”
HEAT ME UP feels like one of the strongest singles you’ve ever released. Did you feel you’d unlocked something magic?
“That was the first song that we wrote on the album, it was quite a skeletal song to put together. Usually when that happens, there's a reason it was easy to write. It was just flowing out of us. People kept coming back to us saying, ‘That tune’s fucking sick.’ I guess when you're in something so deep, you don't really have the ability to be super objective about things, because everything is attached to how you made it.
“Container was the hardest fucking song to write – there's 46 different versions of that song. There's a version that sounds like Bonkers by Dizzee Rascal. You do not want to hear it, it's fucking terrible! That song took forever to put together, and I started to fall out of love with it for a while. Though once the rest of the record was there, things clicked and we just popped it into place.”
The record has its darker moments, too. Why I Sleep feels somewhat of a turning point…
“We didn't want it to just be this one-note record, emotionally, where the sun's come out and everything's great. When we made Datura, I was drinking loads and not in the best place. I'm not anymore, but you don't just flick a switch, and then everything's fixed. We wanted to take you on a journey of redemption, it [doesn’t] immediately go to 10 where everything's hunky-dory. Every redemption story has moments where you fail, and you have to pick yourself up and try again. That [song] is one of those moments, accepting the path to success or happiness isn’t gonna be an easy one.
“I had boundless confidence when I was in my early 20s. Now, I spend a lot of time second-guessing every little decision that I make. I went through a period last year when I fucking hated this public perception of me. I wondered how much longer I could do this, because I didn’t like how I came across, and I didn’t wanna have this anvil around my neck of my own self-doubt. In part, the album is trying to touch on the countless moments that we go through all the time. I’ve had more of those moments as I’ve gotten older, unfortunately. But with it, I’ve also found a great deal of inner peace. I suppose that’s the duality of the record, in a roundabout way.”